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Unhappy with your Fourth Shift support? There's another way to run it.

Vendor support for Fourth Shift has narrowed to a sliver as the product reaches the end of its roadmap. For many plants the alternative has been a support arrangement that grows more complex and more expensive every year, and leaves the plant less able to run its own system. It doesn't have to be that way. We document your system, install monitoring so nothing fails silently, stabilize and improve what's hurting, and — if you want it — apply the Transformation module to make Fourth Shift work for your business again. On a fixed, affordable retainer. You own the system. Simplicity is the deliverable.

// no lock-in · read-only to start · your existing arrangement can run in parallel until you're comfortable
THE ORDER OF WORK:DOCUMENTMONITORSTABILIZEIMPROVETRANSFORM (OPTIONAL)HAND YOUR TEAM THE KEYS
The Fourth Shift reality

A mature product, a narrowing vendor roadmap — and a support market that filled the gap badly.

Fourth Shift is a good system. We've been saying that for thirty years and we'll keep saying it. It is also a product whose vendor roadmap has, understandably, run its course: Infor's investment has moved to its current platforms, and the Fourth Shift-specific depth available through vendor channels has narrowed to a sliver. That's the normal life cycle of a thirty-year-old product, not a failing, and we work alongside Infor and its partners wherever that's the right answer for a client.

The practical consequence is that Fourth Shift expertise now lives with a handful of people who have worked inside the system for decades. And into that gap has come a style of support that many plants recognize: every fix arrives as another custom program, every custom program needs the provider to maintain it, the monthly number goes one direction, and after a few years nobody on the plant's side understands their own system anymore. Dependence isn't a side effect of that model. It's the model.

We run the opposite model. The measure of a support engagement is whether your team understands the system better a year from now — with documentation they can read, monitoring they can see, and fixes that are simpler than the problems they solve. If we've done the job, you need us less, not more.

You should own your system. Simplicity is the deliverable.
1996first Fourth Shift site as administrator — a spring & tubular manufacturer, carried through Y2K
25+years administering, building on, reporting from and integrating Fourth Shift
4industries on FS in the current ledger: forging, agricultural equipment, paint & brush, automotive wheels
Read-onlynothing writes to Fourth Shift except through FSTI; every change proven in sandbox first
0long-term lock-in. Fixed monthly retainer, in writing, cancel with notice
What you get

Document. Monitor. Stabilize. Improve. Then, if you want, transform.

In that order, because each step makes the next one cheaper — and because the first three are what most plants have never actually received from support.

01

Document your system

Every custom program, Data Import template, VisiBar script, interface, scheduled job and configuration decision — what it does, who depends on it, and whether it needs to exist. Most plants get the first real documentation of their environment out of this step. It's yours to keep.

02

Install monitoring

Night processing watched for failures and duration drift, backups proven by restore, disk and job health graphed, integrations that go quiet raising an alert. Your IT sees the problem first. How monitoring is done →

03

Stabilize and improve

The month-end that won't close, the MRP nobody trusts, the cost roll that's wrong, the customization that breaks every patch. Fixed at the mechanism — usually a configuration afternoon, not another custom program. Simplify before you extend.

04

Transform — if you want it

The Transformation module: a business process review with evidence-graded findings, measurement contracts, and a scoreboard reading your own GL. Optional, and only after the system is stable. The review →

A fair test

Ask this about any Fourth Shift support arrangement — including ours.

Nobody is named here, because the pattern is what matters. Score your current arrangement honestly.

The questionThe dependent modelHow we work
Who has the documentation?The provider. You have a phone number.You do — a written inventory of every custom object, job and setting, delivered in the first month.
How does a fix arrive?As another custom program only the provider can maintain.As the simplest thing that holds — usually a configuration or process fix. Customization is the last resort, and it's documented.
How do you find out something failed?From accounting, three days later.From monitoring your own team can see, with the log line and the runbook attached.
What happens to the monthly number?It goes up as the customizations pile up.Fixed retainer, in writing, sized to the environment. Most value delivered up front.
After a year, does your team understand the system better?Less. That's the business model.Better. If you need us less next year, we did the job.
Can you leave?Not without a migration.With notice. Everything we build is documented and ordinary; any competent shop can pick it up.
Switching without a gap

Read-only first. Parallel if you want. No drama.

A transition starts with us doing nothing to your system except reading it. Documentation and monitoring go in first, so nothing fails silently during the handover and you get something valuable whether or not you switch. Your existing arrangement can run in parallel for as long as you like. When you're comfortable, stabilization starts on the things that are already hurting. Nobody re-implements anything.

If, after the discovery call, you're better off where you are, we'll tell you that. We don't get paid more for finding problems.

Straight answers

Questions about Fourth Shift support.

Where does Infor stand on Fourth Shift?
Fourth Shift is a mature product at the end of its vendor roadmap. Infor's investment has, understandably, moved to its current platforms, and the depth of Fourth Shift-specific support available through the vendor has narrowed as a result. That's not a criticism — it's the normal life cycle of a 30-year-old product, and we work alongside Infor and its partners where that's the right answer for a client. It does mean that the practical, day-to-day expertise now lives with the handful of people who have worked inside the system for decades. We're one of them.
We already have a Fourth Shift support provider. Why switch?
You may not need to. The test is simple: after a year with them, do you understand your system better or less? Is your team more capable or more dependent? Are the fixes simpler than the problems, or more complex? If the answers are the wrong way round, that's the reason. Our deliverable is a system you own and understand — documentation, monitoring, and a team that can run it — not a relationship you can't leave.
What does 'affordable' mean?
A fixed monthly retainer sized to your environment, quoted after a discovery call and put in writing. Most of the value is delivered up front — documentation, monitoring, stabilization — so the ongoing cost is for keeping it that way and for the questions your team can't answer alone, not for re-learning your system every time you call.
How does a transition work if we do switch?
Quietly and without a gap. We start read-only: document what you have, install monitoring so nothing fails silently during the handover, and stabilize the things that are already hurting. Your existing arrangement can run in parallel until you're comfortable. No re-implementation, no migration, no drama.
Can you support customizations someone else built?
Yes. Step one is always documenting what they actually do — and, frankly, whether they need to exist. A surprising number of customizations exist to work around a configuration problem that takes an afternoon to fix properly. Simplifying is usually cheaper than maintaining.
Let's talk

Tell us how support is going today.

What you're paying for, what you're getting, and what's still broken. If you're better off where you are, we'll say so. If you're not, you'll get a written proposal with a fixed monthly number and no long-term lock-in.

You'll get a straight answer and a tight scope. If we can't help, we'll tell you that too — and usually who can.

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